Mr. PAGE.

Three Gentlemen on the right.-This is in these three copies of 1818. In this, of 1818, it is not; it has been cut out, and a written leaf pasted in.

The next passage to which I would call your attention, is a note on Acts xxv. 11, in which St. Paul appeals to Cæsar :

"Chap. xxv. 11. If St. Paul, both to save himself from whipping and from death sought by the Jews, doubted not to claim succour from the Roman laws, and to appeal to Cæsar the Prince of the Romans, not yet christened, how much more may we call for aid of Christian princes and their laws, for the punishment of heretics, and for the Church's defence against them? (St. Aug. 50.)"

Three Gentlemen on the right.-This note is in these copies of 1818. Mr. PAGE. In this edition of it, it is left out, and another leaf, which may be seen by every body, has been pasted in.

The next is a note on Timothy iii. 9.

"All heretics in the beginning, seem to have some show of truth, God, for just punishment of men's lives, permitting them for some time in some persons and places to prevail; but in a short time God detecteth them, and openeth the eyes of men to see their deceits; insomuch that after the first brunt, they are maintained only by force, all wise men in a manner seeing their falsehood, though for fear of troubling the state of such commonwealths, where unluckily they have been received, they cannot be so suddenly extirpated."

Three Gentlemen on the right.-In this case, again, the note is to be found in these copies of 1818.

Mr. PAGE. It is not to be seen in this of 1818, and the leaf is pasted in.

There are two more texts to which I wish to refer; the first is Rev. ii. 20. "I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman, Jezebel," &c. The note is

"Rev. ii. 20. He warneth bishops to be zealous and stout against false prophets and heretics of what sort soever, by alluding covertly to the example of holy Elias, that in zeal killed four hundred and fifty false prophets of Jezebel, and spared not Ahab nor Jezebel themselves, but told them to their faces that they troubled Israel, that is, the faithful people of God."

Three Gentlemen on the right.-The note is in these three copies of 1818.

Mr. PAGE. It is not here; and the leaf is pasted in as before. The remaining passage is Rev. xvii. 6, on which the note is— "Rev. xvii. 6. [Drunk with the blood.]-It is plain that this woman signifieth the whole body of all the persecutors that have, and shall, shed so much blood of the just, of the prophets, apostles, and other martyrs, from the beginning of the world to the end. The Protestants foolishly expound it of Rome, for that there they put heretics to death, and allow of their punishment in other countries; but their blood is not called the blood of saints, no more than the blood of thieves, mankillers, and other malefactors, for the shedding of which, by order of justice, no commonwealth shall answer."

Three Gentlemen on the right.-This note is in these copies.

Mr. PAGE. It is not in this-the leaf is pasted in.

Now, I have selected these notes for the purpose of showing you. that these they are I believe the only ones-are expunged from this copy, and retained in those copies. But the rest of the notes that are found in this expurgated edition, are precisely of the same character. Does Dens tell us that our worship is "not to be tolerated?" What says this Bible ?

"2 Cor. vii. 14. [What fellowship?] Generally here is forbidden conversation and dealings with all infidels, and consequently with heretics; but especially in prayers, or meeting at their schismatical service, preaching, and other divine office whatsover, which the apostle here uttereth in more particular terms, that Christian folks may take the better heed of it. No society, saith he, or fellowship-no participation or agreement-no consent between light and darkness, Christ and Belial-the temple of God, and the temple of idols-all service, as pretended worship of God set up by heretics or schismatics, being nothing else but service of Belial, and plain idolatry, and their conventicles nothing but conspirations against Christ. From such, therefore, especially we must separate ourselves always in heart and mind, and touching any act of religion, in body also; according as the children of Israel were commanded by God to separate themselves from the schismatics, Korah, Dathan, and Abiram, and their tabernacles by these words, 'Depart from the tabernacles of the impious men, and touch ye not those things which appertain to them, lest ye be entrapped in their sins.'

Does Dens say that heretics are to be excommunicated? What saith this Bible?

"Cor. 1st Epistle, 5th chap. and 5th verse. [To Satan.] To assure us that all excommunicated persons are in the power and possession of the devil, and quite out of Christ's protection, as soon as they are separated by the Church's sentence from her body, and the sacrament and fellowship of Christian Catholic men, it pleases God to give power to the Apostles and prelates of the primitive Church, to cause the devil straight upon their sentence of excommunication to invade the body of the excommunicated, and to torment him corporeally. So Christ excommunicated Judas, and the devil entered into him, and he went forth from the happy fellowship of the apostles. (John xiii. 27.) So this apostle excommunicated Alexander and Hymenæus, and Satan straight took them. (1 Timothy i.) Yea, it is thought that St. Peter excommunicated Ananias and Sapphira, and for sign of his power and terror of the sentence, struck them both dead. (De Mirabil. S. Scripturæ, li. 3, c. 16; Apud. S. Augustin.) Which miraculous power, though it be not joined now to that sentence, yet, as far as concerneth the spiritual punishment which it especially appertaineth to, it is as before, and is, by the judgment of the holy doctors (St. Cyprian, ep. 26, nu. 3. St. Chrysostom, in 1 Tim. i. ho. 5. St. Ambrose, in 1 Tim. i. Hierom, ep, ad Heliod., c. 7. St. Augustin De Cor. and Gra. c. 15), the terriblest and greatest punishment in the world, even far passing all earthly pain and torment of this life, and being a very resemblance of damnation, and so often called by the fathers, namely, by St. Augustin,

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And by this spiritual sword,' saith St. Cyprian, 'all must die in their souls that obey not the priests of Christ in the new law, as they that were disobedient to the judges in the old law, were slain with a corporeal sword. Would to God the world knew of the marvellous punishment Christ had appointed the priests to execute upon the offenders of his laws, and especially upon the disobedient, as heretics, namely."

Does Dens assert we are not to be left with liberty of conscience? What say the Rhemish notes?

The law of the Gospel,

"St. James, i. 25. [The law of liberty.] and grace of Christ, is called the law of liberty in respect of the yoke and burden of the old carnal ceremonies, and because Christ hath, by his blood of the New Testament, delivered all that obey him from the servitude of sins and the devil. But not as the libertines and other heretics of this time would have it—that in the New Testament every man may follow his own liking and conscience, and may choose whether he will be under the laws and obedience of spiritual or temporal rulers or not."

Does Dens assert that heretics are to be punished with death when "convenient?" You have heard some notes upon this subject. There is another, on Cor. x. 6.

"2 Cor. x. 6. [To revenge.] You may see hereby, that the spiritual power of bishops is not only preaching the Gospel, and so by persuasion and exhortation only (as some heretics hold) to remit or retain sins, but that it hath authority to punish, judge, and condemn heretics and other like rebels; which power one of the principal rebels (Calvin) of his time, being convicted by the evidence of the place, acknowledgeth to be grounded upon Christ's word. • Whosoever you shall bind on earth, shall be bound in heaven.' (Matt. xviii. 18.) Apply also the words spoken to Jer. i. 10.— Behold, I appoint thee over nations and kingdoms, that thou plant, pluck up, build, and destroy;' to confirm and explain the power Apostolic here alleged by St. Paul. Nay, they would gladly draw this power from the lawful successors of the apostles to themselves--their ministers and consistories which are nothing else but the shops and councils of sedition, and all the conspirations of this time against the lawful princes of the world."

It is unnecessary for me to take up your time by reading any further notes. But I beg to observe, that through the Bibles of the Roman Catholic Church, the same power of life and death is asserted to be lodged in the bishops over heretics. You have heard the statement of Dr. Troy." You have heard him state that he only authorized the Bible printed in 1791. There is that Bible-the Bible, recollect, which Dr. Troy acknowledges he authorized. What are the notes of this Bible upon the subject? They are not like the obnoxious notes contained in the other Bibles, it is true: but there is a note in this book, retained in all Roman Catholic Bibles (on Deut. xvii. 8), which I will just read :—

"Deuteronomy xvii. 8. [If thou perceive, &c.] Here we see what authority God was pleased to give to the Church-guides of the

Old Testament, in deciding without appeal all controversies relating to the law, promising that they should not err therein, and punishing with death such as proudly refused to obey their decisions, and surely he has not done less for the Church-guides of the New Testament."

This, I repeat, is the Bible which Dr. Troy himself acknowledges he authorized. But it may be there is only this one verse in it (i. e. the Douay). What more do I want? I want not a tyrant to write a volume to tell me that my liberty and life are in his power—a single sentence, a hint is quite enough. One note, that lays it down that he has a right to put me to death, is as bad as a thousand volumes. I have brought here another Bible, edited at Manchester, to show that the Roman Catholic Church in England, in Ireland, and all over the world, is the same that it preserves everywhere this "unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." And here is the same note exactly. [Here Mr. M. read the same note on Deut. from the Manchester edition.]

This is an edition "published in Manchester, 1813, by Oswald Syers, of Market-street." Now Dr. Murray was examined before the House of Commons upon the note, and he said that really these notes to the Rhemish Bible had been gradually softened down. Now, I never understood what the Doctor meant by gradually softened down, until I inspected his Rhemish Bible. The word " gradually," I think, implies a succession of different things. You can hardly say that the notes of one Bible are "gradually softened down into another." Yet this is the Bible of 1816, or 1818, published in Ireland, about which he was examined; and here is the Bible of 1825, stereotyped by the Romish prelates themselves in Dublin; and Dr. Murray, when examined upon the subject, says, that in the last edition of the Bible there is no such note to be found, meaning the stereotyped edition of 1825. Here is that edition, and the note is to be found in it, with this one exception:-in one part of the note-which seems to give a salvo for his assertion that the note is not to be found in ithe has left out the words " punishing with death, such as proudly refuse to obey their decisions." But leaving out those words does not signify any thing to the main assertion of the passage, viz., that the same power given to the priests under the old law, is given to the priests under the new law. I refer to the text for the purpose of showing the argument, that because God, when He was pleased to establish a theocracy, and to make the priests in some degree the rulers of the land, was pleased to give them a power of life and death; that, therefore, it is said in that note, although the words "punishing with death are left out, therefore the same power is retained by the priests of the new law, so that they have the authority of the text for this purpose. Here is a Bible printed 1833, the last edition, in which the very same words occur. Here is an edition printed in Glasgow, in which too the same words are to be found, in which a power of life and death is lodged in the hands of the bishops of the Church of Rome- -a power as certain as the power which a judge possesses over the life and death of a criminal.

Let me adduce another unanswerable document on this point.

When Doctors Murray and Doyle were examined before the Committees of Parliament, they were asked what were the standard books of their Church; they gave different answers; but, however, both agreed that one was the "Catechism of the Council of Trent." Now I will read to you a passage from Dr. Doyle's Letter to Lord Liverpool upon this catechism. He says:

"This catechism, as I once before had the honour of mentioning to your Lordship, is a most authentic exposition of our faith, inasmuch as it embodies and explains, not only the doctrinal decisions of that Council, but also the several articles of the creed commonly called the Apostles' Creed; the commandments of the decalogue (the precepts of your Church), the mass, and the sacraments, as they are received and understood by all Catholics.

"This catechism has also been approved of and published by the Pope, and assented to by all the bishops in communion with the see of Rome, without a single dissentient, so that it may be considered as an epitome of Catholic doctrine and belief."

Here is the authority of Dr. Doyle, and we could have none higher, for the perfect standard of the "Catechism of the Council of Trent." The Roman Catholic clergy have sworn in their creed to observe to the latest hour of their lives all the decrees and decisions of the Council of Trent, so that we have here an acknowledged standard. And what is the language of this catechism upon the subject? To the question in this creed, "Who are excluded from the Church ?" we have this answer on the article in the creed, "the Holy Catholic Church," in answer to the question, "Who are excluded from the Church?" "Heretics truly, and schismatics, because they have been cut off from the Church, nor do they belong any more to the Church than deserters belong to the army from which they have deserted. It is not to be denied, however, but if they are in the power of the Church, that they be called by her into judgment, punished, and being anathematized, condemned."

This is the doctrine of the great Council of Trent, which all are sworn to obey; and yet we are now told that such doctrines now, forsooth, are obsolete, and that no man can think of entertaining them. Now the only thing which we have to determine is a matter of fact— it is a question of fact. Was this book published in 1818, under the sanction of the authorities stated in it, or was it not? If that question of fact be not established, then, I say, there never was a fact established since the world began. This book, that has been privately circulated by "proper persons," appointed in every town of Ireland, 66 among subscribers only "-this book that has been thus circulated- -are the doctrines it contains the doctrines of Dens, or are they not? It was said that Dens' opinions against heresies—this was Mr. Stanley's defence for Dr. Murray-were confined to two or three pages; the principles of this Bible against heretics are to be found in every page. Let me just read part of an index to these notes of the Rhemish Bible, just published-let me read to you a passage from the index under the head of "Heretics."

Extracts from Index on word "Heretics :".