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COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM AND OVERSIGHT

WILLIAM F. CLINGER, JR., Pennsylvania, Chairman

BENJAMIN A. GILMAN, New York

DAN BURTON, Indiana

CONSTANCE A. MORELLA, Maryland
CHRISTOPHER SHAYS, Connecticut
STEVEN SCHIFF, New Mexico
ILEANA ROS-LEHTINEN, Florida
WILLIAM H. ZELIFF, JR., New Hampshire
JOHN M. MCHUGH, New York
STEPHEN HORN, California
JOHN L. MICA, Florida
PETER BLUTE, Massachusetts
THOMAS M. DAVIS, Virginia
DAVID M. MCINTOSH, Indiana
JON D. FOX, Pennsylvania
RANDY TATE, Washington
DICK CHRYSLER, Michigan
GIL GUTKNECHT, Minnesota
MARK E. SOUDER, Indiana
WILLIAM J. MARTINI, New Jersey
JOE SCARBOROUGH, Florida
JOHN B. SHADEGG, Arizona

MICHAEL PATRICK FLANAGAN, Illinois
CHARLES F. BASS, New Hampshire
STEVEN C. LATOURETTE, Ohio
MARSHALL "MARK" SANFORD, South
Carolina

ROBERT L. EHRLICH, JR., Maryland

CARDISS COLLINS, Illinois
HENRY A. WAXMAN, California
TOM LANTOS, California

ROBERT E. WISE, JR., West Virginia
MAJOR R. OWENS, New York
EDLOPHUS TOWNS, New York

JOHN M. SPRATT, JR., South Carolina
LOUISE MCINTOSH SLAUGHTER, New

York

PAUL E. KANJORSKI, Pennsylvania

GARY A. CONDIT, California
COLLIN C. PETERSON, Minnesota
KAREN L. THURMAN, Florida
CAROLYN B. MALONEY, New york
THOMAS M. BARRETT, Wisconsin
GENE TAYLOR, Mississippi

BARBARA-ROSE COLLINS, Michigan

ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON, District of Columbia

JAMES P. MORAN, Virginia

GENE GREEN, Texas
CARRIE P. MEEK, Florida
CHAKA FATTAH, Pennsylvania
BILL BREWSTER, Oklahoma
TIM HOLDEN, Pennsylvania

BERNARD SANDERS, Vermont (Independent)

JAMES L. CLARKE, Staff Director
KEVIN SABO, General Counsel
JUDITH MCCOY, Chief Clerk

JEFFREY WILMOT, Professional Staff Member
BUD MYERS, Minority Staff Director
DAVID SCHOOLER, Minority Chief Counsel

SUBCOMMITTEE ON NATIONAL SECURITY, INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS, AND CRIMINAL

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Arnold, J. Phillip, Ph.D., Reunion Institute, Houston, TX
Betz, Anthony, Assistant Special Agent in Charge, Federal Bureau of Inves-
tigation, Baltimore Division

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Cavanaugh, James, former Assistant Special Agent in Charge, Bureau of

Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, Dallas, TX

Cook, Capt. Maurice, senior Texas Ranger
DeGuerin, Dick, attorney for David Koresh

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Jamar, Jeffrey, former Special Agent in Charge, Federal Bureau of Investiga-
tion, San Antonio, TX.....

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Smerick, Peter, former Criminal Investigative Analyst, Investigative Support

Unit, National Center for the Analysis of Violent Crime, FBI Academy,

Quantico, VA

Stone, Alan A., M.D., professor of psychiatry and law, Harvard University
Tabor, James D., Ph.D., associate professor of religious studies, University
of North Carolina at Charlotte

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LETTERS, STATEMENTS, ETC., SUBMITTED FOR THE HEARINGS
Arnold, J. Phillip, Ph.D., Reunion Institute, Houston, TX: Prepared state-
ment
Barr, Hon. Bob, a Representative in Congress from the State of Georgia:
Document concerning arrests of Randall Weaver, Vicky Weaver, and
Kevin Harris

Letter dated March 23, 1993, to the Attorney General Janet Reno, from
Assistant U.S. Attorney Bill Johnston
Brewster, Hon. Bill K., a Representative in Congress from the State of Okla-
homa: Letter dated July 27, 1995, to Cherri Branson, professional staff,
Committee on Government Reform and Oversight, from Peter E. Voytek,
Ph.D., executive director, Halogenated Solvents Industry Alliance, Inc.
Collins, Hon. Cardiss, a Representative in Congress from the State of Illinois:
Prepared statement

DeGuerin, Dick, attorney for David Koresh: Prepared statement
McCollum, Hon. Bill, a Representative in Congress from the State of Florida,
and chairman, Subcommittee on Crime: Interview transcript of Ron Noble
of CBS on "60 Minutes," May 14, 1995

Potts, Larry A., former Assistant Director, Criminal Investigative Division,
Federal Bureau of Investigation: Prepared statement

Tabor, James D., Ph.D., associate professor of religious studies, University
of North Carolina at Charlotte: Prepared statement

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Thurman, Hon. Karen L., a Representative in Congress from the State of
Florida: Prepared statement

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Wise, Hon. Robert E., Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of West Virginia: Curriculum vitae of Dr. Harry Salem

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Zeliff, Hon. William H., Jr., a Representative in Congress from the State of New Hampshire, and chairman, Subcommittee on National Security, International Affairs, and Criminal Justice:

Prepared statement

Transcript of: "The Last Recorded Words of David Koresh"

Zimmermann, Jack B., attorney for Steve Schneider; Prepared statement

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ACTIVITIES OF FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TOWARD THE BRANCH DAVIDIANS

(Part 2)

TUESDAY, JULY 25, 1995

HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, SUBCOMMITTEE ON NA-
TIONAL SECURITY, INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS, AND CRIMI-
NAL JUSTICE, COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REFORM
AND OVERSIGHT, JOINTLY WITH THE SUBCOMMITTEE ON
CRIME, COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY,

Washington, DC.

The subcommittees met, pursuant to notice, at 9:42 a.m., in room 2154, Rayburn House Office Building, Hon. William H. Żeliff, Jr. (chairman of the Subcommittee on National Security, International Affairs, and Criminal Justice) presiding and Hon. Bill McCollum (chairman of the Subcommittee on Crime).

Present from the Subcommittee on National Security, International Affairs, and Criminal Justice: Representatives William H. Zeliff, Jr., Robert L. Ehrlich, Jr., Steven Schiff, Ileana RosLehtinen, John L. Mica, Peter Blute, Mark E. Souder, John B. Shadegg, Karen L. Thurman, Robert E. Wise, Jr., Gene Taylor, Tom Lantos, Louise McIntosh Slaughter, and Bill K. Brewster.

Present from the Subcommittee on Crime: Representatives Bill McCollum, Steven Schiff, Stephen E. Buyer, Howard Coble, Fred Heineman, Ed Bryant of Tennessee, Steve Chabot, Bob Barr, Charles E. Schumer, Robert C. Scott, Zoe Lofgren, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Melvin L. Watt.

Also present from the Committee on Government Reform and Oversight: Representatives William F. Clinger Jr., Cardiss Collins of Illinois, and Gene Green.

Also present from the Committee on the Judiciary: Representatives Henry J. Hyde and John Conyers, Jr.

Staff present from the Subcommittee on National Security, International Affairs, and Criminal Justice: Robert Charles, staff director and chief counsel; T. March Bell, counsel for justice affairs; Marshall Cobleigh, senior policy advisor; Michele Lang, special counsel; Sean Littlefield, special assistant and clerk; and L. Stephan Vincze, defense counsel; Committee on Government Reform and Oversight: Kevin Sabo, general counsel; Judith McCoy, chief clerk; Jeffrey Wilmot, professional staff member; Bud Myers, minority staff director; David Schooler, minority chief counsel; Ronald Stroman, minority deputy staff director; Donald Goldberg, minority assistant to counsel; Cherri Branson, minority professional

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