propaganda. Section 537 prohibits use of funds for printing general propaganda in support of the MSA program.

The committee has obtained copies of material printed with funds from the MSA Act of 1951. I have a carbon of the letter and exhibits at the office which show publications and costs. In any case, there is a lot that has been printed. It amounted to $11,000 and the total number of pieces was 100,000 of one, and 3,000 or 4,000 of others. It has been claimed that this is informational material. A table showing this ought to go in right here.

Chairman CHIPERFIELD. Here it is, right here.

Mr. VORYS. The committee is of the opinion that a great deal of this is propaganda under the above section and should be stopped.

Here is what has been printed: 180,000 of "Point IV, What It Is and How It Works." Point IV profiles, 30,000 of those. There are a whole series of them and here they are.

I think that it is a violation or evasion of the law. That is a provision I would want in the report at the proper place.

DISCUSSION OF PROCEDURE

Now I might say this about the way the report starts off. This was my idea; I drafted this first part.

Mr. JUDD. "A package" you mean.

Mr. VORYS. Yes.

Mr. JAVITS. Did you draft the criticisms and comments?

Mr. VORYS. Yes. What I mean is that we want to avoid two things. We want to avoid delaying this report because somebody has not seen a part of it and they want a chance to read it. We also want as many suggestions as to language as we can get so that we have a good report. This thing is going to be either very helpful, or if we slip up, it is going to be harmful.

Mr. JAVITS. May I make the suggestion for procedure that you just have a commttee meeting in an hour or so and those who wish to be here may be here? They can have their say and they will be voted up or down.

Mr. ZABLOCKI. Do you mean to pass this report today?

Mr. VORYS. Oh; yes.

Mr. ZABLOCKI. You do not expect us in an hour to read 64 pages of a report? We never pushed anything down so fast in the last session, as I recall. I would like to have a little time to read it.

Mr. VORYS. How much time do you want?

Mr. ZABLOCKI. At least overnight and tomorrow.

Mr. VORYS. You want to delay the whole movement of the bill? Can you not read it this afternoon? Could we not have a meeting at 4 o'clock?

Mr. JUDD. If it were not passed until tomorrow, would that delay the bill a day?

Mr. VORYS. I hope we can get the bill out in a few minutes and go before the Rules Committee, with a report.

Mr. JUDD. Go to the Rules Committee tomorrow?

Mr. VORYS. That is what I hope. We have not made any request yet.

Chairman CHIPERFIELD. No. We have not had the bill out yet. Do you have a request ready for the Rules Committee? Have you talked to them about it at all?

Mr. CRAWFORD. No, sir, not yet.

Mr. ADAIR. Mr. Chairman, in that connection and just for the sake of completeness of information, I would like to say on behalf of myself and some others that we would like to advise the committee that we may want to, and at the same time reserve the right to file a minority report. There is no determination upon that point yet, but we would just like, with the consent of the committee here, to reserve that right.

Mrs. BOLTON. It has to go in at the same time as the majority report, does it not?

Mr. CRAWFORD. Yes. If it goes in after the majority report is filed, unanimous consent is necessary in the House.

Mr. ADAIR. It would be our plan to seek such unanimous consent, Mr. Chairman.

Mr. JUDD. There would be no objection.

Mr. VoRYS. There never has been any objection.

Mr. JUDD. It is better if all reports can go in together and be printed together.

Mr. VORYS. In that case the minority has the advantage that their people pick it up and say, "Is there a minority report on this?" and they find it at the back.

Mr. ADAIR. Again for the sake of the completeness, let me say that there is no minority in being, at this time.

Chairman CHIPERFIELD. May I make a suggestion that we vote out the bill that has been filed as a clean bill and that we study this report and meet here at any time that you say, 3:30 or something of that kind, and for those who can, be here?

Mr. VORYS. I understand the bill has been referred to us by the Speaker as H.R. 5710?

Mr. CRAWFORD. That is correct. It is not technically before the committee.

VOTE TO REPORT THE BILL

Mr.VORYS. I move we report the bill and recommend it for passage. Chairman CHIPERFIELD. Shall we have a rollcall?

Mr. VORYS. A rollcall.

Mr. MORANO. I just want to ask a question. When will it be proper to offer a committee amendment? What would be the appropriate time to offer a committee amendment?

Mr. VORYS. If it is a committee amendment which is printed in the bill—If that is not the case, it comes up more or less automatically. Mr. MORANO. When do you get a committee amendment adopted so it can be offered on the floor?

Mr. VORYS. You have to call a meeting of the committee.

Mr. MORANO. Do you expect to call a meeting to consider Dr. Judd and Mr. Fulton's amendment?

Mr. VORYS. Yes.

Mr. MORANO. At that time other amendments will be received?

Mr. VORYS. Yes. There may be other things that we do not know about.

Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Chiperfield.

Chairman CHIPERFIELD. Aye.
Mr. CRAWFORD. Mrs. Bolton.

Mrs. BOLTON. Aye.

Mr. CRAWFORD. We have Mr. Smith's proxy against.

Mr. Merrow.

Dr. Judd.

Mr. JUDD. Aye.

Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Fulton.

Mr. Javits.

Mr. JAVITS. Aye.

Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Jackson.

Mr. LeCompte.

Mr. LECOMPTE. Aye.

Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Radwan.

Mr. Morano.

Mr. MORANO. Aye.

Mr. CRAWFORD. Mrs. Church.

Mrs. CHURCH. No.

Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Adair.

Mr. ADAIR. No.

Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Vorys.

Mr. VORYS. Aye.

Mr. CRAWFORD. We have Mr. Prouty's proxy for, Mr. Bentley's proxy against, Mr. Richard's proxy for, and Mr. Harrison's proxy for. Mr. Gordon.

Mr. BURLESON. No, and qualifying, Mr. Chairman, the same as I did yesterday, with the reservation that I support my contention to put it off.

Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Hays.

Mr. HAYS. Aye.

Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Roosevelt.

Mrs. Kelly.

Mrs. KELLY. Aye.

Mr. CRAWFORD. Mr. Lanham.

I count 17 ayes and five nays.

Mr. BATTLE. Mr. Lanham voted for it the other day.

Chairman CHIPERFIELD. What about meeting this afternoon on this committee report? Mr. Javits thinks we are going to run into trouble.

POLITICALLY SENSITIVE PORTIONS OF THE COMMITTEE REPORT

Mr. ZABLOCKI. Mr. Vorys, I am in total accord with the legislation. I am in sympathy with it totally. But as a member of the minority, I wonder if you in your candor could sincerely tell us whether there is anything sensitive to the minority in this report, since you wrote quite a bit of it. Is there anything that would be sensitive to the Democrats, the minority?

Mr. VORYS. Read the first paragraph of the report.

Mr. ZABLOCKI. I have read that.

Mr. VoRYS. Are you sensitive?

Mr. ZABLOCKI. No, sir. I think that is fact.

Mr. VORYS. Is any member of the minority sensitive-I am attempting to point out the special pleading that I know of myself-Where is the section on point IV?

Mr. ZABLOCKI. Now criticism and comments. Is there anything in there?

Mr. JAVITS. Yes, there is a lot in there I am going to move to change. Mr. VORYS. On page 31 there are two places:

Like many other great American ideas, technical assistance has had its growing pains. It still has some of them. Overenthusiastic zealots, both in and out of Government, have on occasion encouraged other countries to expect too much. Many of the programs have had too many administrators

The whole section I dictated is left out of this. It belongs right in here. It is the history of point 4.

Mr. JUDD. At the top of page 29, it says "Technical Assistance."

Mr. VORYS. Here it is on page 29. This is sensitive. The second paragraph that I just started there I also wrote and would like to have you all look it over. I wrote, "The idea of sharing"

Mr. ZABLOCKI. I hope you do not feel that anything you wrote would be offensive to us. Knowing you are conversant with the material here, I want you to point out what might be.

Mr. VORYS. Let us explore the political angles of this thing. I want to mention two of them and I want to explain them:

The idea of sharing our technical skills with people in the underdeveloped areas has caught the imagination of the American people. During the course of World War II, the predecessor organization of the present Institute of InterAmerican Affairs developed.

The United States Information and Educational Exchange Act, passed in the 80th Congress, stressed the exchange of technical experts. This became the basis of the fourth point in President Truman's inaugural address in 1949. The Act for International Development in 1950 implemented this concept. The Mutual Security Agency, successor to the Economic Cooperation Administration, is engaged in similar work in several of the Far East countries in an endeavor to strengthen countries in the general area of China.

Now, here it says that the point 4 program was first announced in the President's address. This is a Truman propaganda document, and I have just stated one of the untruths in it. Now, of what importance is it? It is a fact that the package idea was started in the 80th Congress. The things that I have set forth on page 29 are facts. My purpose was to attempt in each instance to stress bipartisanism, and

The Institute of Inter-American Affairs was established under the Act for International Development to help plan and coordinate U.S. assistance programs for Latin American countries.

at times in the 80th Congress, Republican leadership in these programs.

Mr. JUDD. I ask permission to put a sentence in there, because the second sentence about the 80th Congress stressed the exchange of technical assistance and the first program we set up to do that was the Joint Commission on Rural Reconstruction in China. The first such program in the world was the Institute of Inter-American Affairs, and you have it in there. And the Joint Commission on Rural Reconstruction in China was second. It was passed before the Information and Educational Exchange Act. It was passed April 3, 1947, and the latter did not come along until June.

Mr. VORYS. All right, but answering your question as specifically as I can in bringing these out, it was my hope that we would stir up some Republican recollections of their part in some of this.

Mr. JUDD. I question this "during the course of World War II." I am sure that the Rockefeller organization in Latin America 10 was started before World War II began.

Mr. VORYS. I did not think so. I thought-In any case, these are two instances where I have suggested we blow about the 80th Congress and what it did and what the Republicans did. Now, it is true it has been under Democtratic leadership since then and there has been a lot of bipartisan support.

THE "CRITICISMS AND COMMENTS" SECTION OF THE REPORT

Now, the other place is in this section, "Criticisms and Comments," on page 5. This is not in a partisan sense but in a general sense a highly sensitive section.

The origin of it is this: Dr. Bullock drafted a preliminary draft along this line; I worked on this somewhat. I am not too happy about it yet because we have not got it yet-and here is a section in which I would urge collaboration of the whole crowd-but the attempt here was for the committee to do briefly what Ed Stettinius" did with lend-lease 12 the first time he came back here in 1942.

We had fought bitterly and brutally over lend-lease in 1941. Ed Stettinius came up here and he hired Ivy Lee as his public relations expert-and that is heresay. In any case, one of the things they had was rumor, fact, rumor, fact, of criticism that had everybody raised about lend-lease-I say everyone, the ones that you heard about-they stated them in the most critical and hostile way.

Then there was the criticism, the comment, and the fact. Either "It was not so" or "Yes, that's what went on, but we stopped it.” The actual fact is that you explain that.

Now, both your chairman and myself have urged on past administrations and the present one that they do that. They have not done that. This is an attempt, however, in our report, to call attention

10 Dr. Judd is here referring to the International Development Advisory Board. 11 Edward R. Stettinus, Jr. was Lend-Lease Administrator and Special Assistant to President Roosevelt in the period 1941-43. He later served as Under Secretary of State in the period 1943-44 and then as Secretary of State in the period 1944-45.

12 The Lend-Lease Act of 1941 empowered the President to lend or lease military equipment, materials, farm commodities, machinery, and other goods for defense purposes to countries whose defense was deemed vital to U.S. security. Under broad_guidelines of the Lend-Lease Act, the United States was enabled to aid the Allied Powers prior to its official entry into World War II in December 1941.