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in the proper place-tħeir truest fredress. (The Noble Lord consentiments were to be learnt in the cluded amid the loudest cheers). Anti-Chamber of the Minister, and not in the great Council of the na- Lord' ELLENBOROUGĦ said, tion. It was to these gentlemen that whatever differences of opinion that he should wislr most particu- might exist between him and the larly to address himself-they were Meeting, he hoped, at least, that the persons who had the power of they would treat him with that imcompelling Ministers to a reduc- partiality which on a former occa tion, if they would only raise their sion he had experienced. He was voices together ; but the difficulty willing to do the utmost justice to in which they were placed was the motives of the Honourable this-how were they to satisfy the Mover: the principal difference country if a reduction were pot between them was as to the best brought about ? And how were mode of obtaining the object which they to satisfy themselves and the Noble Lord had in view. It their friends if it was? The Noble was agreed, upon all hands, that Marquis at the head of the Foreign great distress prevailed amongst. Department had indeed stated, the agricultural classes -- it was that at length there was to be some agreed too, that it was necessary small reduction ; but why had it to afford them immediate and efnot been made three or four years fectual relief. The Noble Lord ago? Trifling as the proposed re-proceeded to argue that relief from ductions were, they might have existing distress was not to be obbeen introduced some years back, tained by a reduction of taxation. and with more effect than at pre- In 1816, 18 millions of taxes were sent. He felt much curiosity to removed. Did relief follow ? No. learn the plan of the Noble Mar- The whole of that year was one of quis, and now that he had disco- the most distressing since the war; vered it, he found that it was a but if taxes to the amount of six scheme which would not reduce or seven millions were taken up, or the expense of the country-ex- that a bounty to that amount were cept indeed as far as the reduction given, that bounty, in point of fact, of one shilling per bushel on malt would not make a greater difference went. Those who lived by taxa- than 5s. a quarter upon wheat. tion endeavoured to prove that the In point of fact, the Meeting nedistress of the country was not gatived the idea of relief being caused by the pressure of that afforded by that means, when they taxation. If he were asked what laughed at the idea of relief folbenefit would resuft froin Reform. lowing the proposed reduction of a he would answer that Reform, if shilling a bushel on barley, and it could not make amends to the yet that proposed' reduction would country for the past, would at least make a reduction of 1,400,0001... preserve the remaining liberties of If the redaction were four times the country. He felt called upon that amount, no effectual relief to use every effort to repair those would follow. Whatever might be inroads upon the Constitution his impressions with respect to which had been made by that per- Reform, he did not wish to mix it nicious influence which had been up with the more pressing question described as meeting every man in of their distress; it was admitted every place. Let the people de- on all hands, that any relief to be clare; in the language of the Peti-effective must be immeuiate, but tion, that until the call for re- Parliamentary Reform could not trenchment and reform was heard, bę immediate, and therefore was they would never cease to demand not the best, nor indeed any re
medy. He continued, at some publie expenditure, and every length, to state his objections to, reduction of taxes which and the difficulties of effecting a be made consistently with good Reform, and observed that they faith, with the efficiency of our had been told that the great dis- necessary establishments, and with tresses of the country had been the general prosperity of our caused by the late war-to the State. corruption of Parliament, and tax- 5. Resolved, That we hope the ation, as the consequence of that Members of the House of Comcorruption; but they should recol- mons will, on this occasion, by lect, that in America, where there their sympathy with the people,
an equal representation - and by the wisdom of their meawhere there existed the cheapest sures, prove themselves to be the possible Government, yet, in that real and worthy Representatives of country, distress had been more the Nation, and not afford us cause severe and more oppressive than it to desire any change in the anhad ever been in this country. cient constitution of the House of The Noble Lord then said, that if | Commons. the Meeting coupled the question 6. Resolved, That a Petition, of Reform with the question of founded upon the foregoing ResoAgricultural Distress, they would lutions, be addressed to the House postpone that relief which was so of Commons. necessary and so much desired.
7. Resolved, That the following If they were dissatisfied with Mi- be the Petition: nisters, let them petition for their change; if they were dissatisfied To the Honourable the Commons of with their Members, let them
the United Kingdom of Great Brichange them ; but he entreated tain and Ireland in Parliament asthem not to tear down the sacred
sembled, fabric of the Constitution (a voice in the crowd : “ It is Lord Lon- The humble Petition of the Free“ donderry, and not us, who is
holders, Copyholders, Occupiers pulling down the Constitution.”)
and Inhabitants of the County of The Noble Earl concluded by pro
Surrey, in the County Meeting posing the following Amendment:
Sheweth, 1. Resolved, that we are, and That your Petitioners are, and long have been, in a state of un- long have been, in a state of unexampled distress, immediately exampled distress, immediately arising from the tow prices of agri- arising from the low price of agricultural produce, and the great cultural produce, and the great cxexpenses of cultivation.
penses of cultivation, 2. Resolved, That we earnestly That your Petitioners earnestly desire the House of Commons desire your Honourable House to adopt measures for our cer- to adopt measures for their tain, effectual, and immediate certain, effectual, and immediate relief.
relief. 3. Resolved, That such certain, That in the opinion of your effectual, and immediate relief will Petitioners, such certain; effecnot, in our opinion, be derived from tual, and immediate relief will not any of the measures hitherto pro- be derived from any of the meaposed by the King's Ministers. sures hitherto proposed by the
4. Resolved, That we implore King's Ministers. the House of Commons to en- That your Petitioners implore force every retrenchment in the your Honourable House to en
force every retrenchment in the knew he should startle the Meeting, public expenditure, and every but be would still hazard the asreduction of taxes which can sertion, that the taxes which 'had be made consistently with good been repealed had contributed to faith, with the efficiency of our that very distress. The Meeting necessary
establishments, and here became unwilling to attend to with the general prosperity of the any further observations from this State.
speaker, and That your Petitioners. hope, that the Members of your Honourable House will on this occasion, by
Mr. GREY BENNET next came theirsympathy with the people, and forward, and was received with the the wisdom of their measures,prove loudest and warmest marks of apthemselves to be the real and wor- plause and public affection. He thy Representatives of the Nation, did not feel at all surprised that and not afford your Petitioners the words which had fallen from cause to desire any change in the his Honourable Friend (Mr. ancient constitution of the House Trower) had caased such marks of Commons.
of astonishment. He never could And your-Petitioners will ever have imagined that so strange a pray, &c.
sophism, that an absurdity as great
as had ever entered the mind of 8. Resolved, that this Petition be the most incapable of human besigned by the High Sheriff on behalf ings, should have taken possession of the Meeting.
of the strong intellect of his HoMr. GAITSKELL seconded the nourable Friend. Did he not know Amendment.
that the strongest minds were oc
casionally led away, and bewilMr. DENISON, member for the dered by a love of parade ? (Mr. T. county, was received with the here said, no, no, you mistake loudest cheers, and spoke at some me.] Mr. Bennct, in continuation, length fully in concurrence with said, he thought he had a glimpse the petition. He concluded his of the meaning of his Honourable speech with particularising the Friend. He thought that his Hosort of Reform which he thought nourable Friend had some hankerdesirable, and we understood ing after a property tax (no, no, him to give his preference to one from Mr. Trower). Mr. Bennet which would extend the suffrage said, then he was at a loss to disto Householders and Copyholders, cover what could have entered the and limit the duration of Parlia- head of his Honourable Friend--ment to three years.
what could have induced bim to
tell the people that a reduction of Mr. TROWER spoke of the taxation was, if not the sole, at question of depreciation, and con- least a great part of the grievances tended that a greater depression of under which they laboured. He prices was attributed to Mr. Peel's could not for a moment conjecture Bill, than was warranted by the what the Gentleman could have fact. He considered it altogether been dreaming about, when he unfounded that prices must go made use of what he (Mr. Bennet) down progressively lower until would take leave to call a most the month of May 1823. There absurd and preposterous proposiwas a glut of produce in the mar- tion (laughter, and hear, hear, ket, and that was one of the con- hear!).--- Whether the public burcurring causes which led to the thens were increased 20 or 30 per present agricultural distress. He cent. by the operation of the Bank
Restrietion Aet, which was brought the people of England an active about by the scandalous fraud of and a vigilant and an efficient conMr. Pitt, or whether the operation troul over their property and their of Mr. Peel's Bill had a tendency liberties. All eyes were turned to produce the same effeet, was to Parliament -- that . Parliament not now the question; but he must had sat a week, would they enter observe that, in the introduction of tain the proposition for economy Mr. Peel's Bill, no precaution had and retrenchment? One hundred been taken, no attempt had been Members said Yes
- but two made, to reduce the public expen- hundred would say No. Amongst diture.-- on the contrary, they had the latter number, he must say, selected a year for the introduction, that the name of the Member a year for the bringing forward for Surrey (Mr. H. Sumner) was that measure, during which they enrolled. He would ask the Meet inflicted on tbe country an addi- ing, whether if the people of Engtional burthen of three millions of land were fairly represented in taxation. Now, when the distress that House, the Ayes would not be prevailed all over the country, the where the Noes were, and the only relief proposed was the re- Noes where the Ayes ? (hear, hear!) duction of thic Malt Tax--a reduc- It was now twelve years since hé tion reluctantly and vainly made became a Member of Parliament; by Ministers, to silence the com- he did not feel it an honour to have plaints of a clamorous people. --- been a Member of Parliament, but The Noble Lord (Ellenborough) he felt it an honour for having rehad indulged in a variety of rich presented, he hoped faithfully recommon place'; he had listened to presented, his Constituents for that that Noble Lord with an attention period. - During that period he due to his rank and character, frequently found himself upon Conmore than to the matter of his stitutional questions'; for on lookspeech; indeed, the Noble Lord's ing to the returns of those who good manner of speaking, and his voted, he found himself voting with character, had gained for him a the Representatives of Counties, greater degree of attention than of Cities, and of popular Boroughs, the substance of his speech could the real Representatives of the command' or deserve: Never was People (hear, hear, hear!). And if there any thing more strange than there was a numerical superiority some of the propositions of the against him, it was because men Noble Lord ; he (Lord Ellenbo- who were sent to that House, not rough) had asked what Reform by the people, but by A, B, C.-bf would do for the people? he had those who trafficked in Boroughs, asked what immediate relief would and disposed of the seats in that it afford? He (Mr. B.) would an- House by inch of candle-by men swer him, by telling him what who were determined to support reform would do for the country--- any Government, however base it would not restore to the people any measure, however hostile to the money that had been extracted the liberties and interests of the from them to support the calami-country--to support any set of men, ties--- the aggressions which 20 however they might be inclined to years of bad Administration ac-poke their long fingers into the complished--- it would not bring pockets of the people.--Tlie Marback those gallant spirits who hadi quis of Londonderry had plainly fallen in that disastrous war; told the country that they were to but this it would do it would look to the curse of famine, not to secure the country from the repeti- the blessing of plenty--that blestion of those calamities, and give to sing, for which they were enjoined
by their common Liturgy to offer to cause it to be believed that tasuup their daily prayers to Heaven tion was not the cause of the present (hear!). The Noble Lord had told the people that they must look to distress; and the Gentleman just the power of nature as the main mentioned had gone so far to-day, source of relief-not in its pro- as to assert that taxation was a blessductiveness—not in its bounty, but in its sterility and barrennessing, (Mr. Trower dissented here). (hear, hear!). What must be the His words were that the country monstrous character of that arti- suffered from taxes being taken off," ficial system under which we live, when the blessings of nature bel“ true, true,” from the Meeting). come the curse of man—when that Mr. Cobbett proceeded to illustrate which, under a wise dispensation, the truth of taxation being burthenwould be deplored as a public affliction, is now sought for as our some; first observing that, upon the only consolation and hope. The face of the thing, to suppose taxation Hononrable Gentleman, after some other observations, concluded by
not to be burthensome, was some pledging himself to give his most thing too monstrous and too absurd zealous support to the Petition. to be soberly entertained by anybody (The Honourable Member's speech for a moment. His illustration was was received with loud cheers).
this; suppose a hundred men having Mr. COBBETT next addressed families to compose a cominunity, the Meeting. 'He was standing on the whole of whom were engaged in the foot-board.of his own post-chaise, labours mutually useful and beneand a wish was expressed for the ficial to each other; one a farmer, purpose of his being heard more dis- another a shoemaker, another a taitinctly, that he should take his posi- lor, and so on. Suppose one amongst tion in one of the wagons. He ac-them, stronger and more cunning . çeded to this request, and an avenue than the rest, to put bimself at the was made to permit him to pass head of 19 more, and suppose these through.--He began by stating, that 20 to be provided with arms (for that at that late hour and after the various was the thing after all); the cunning speeches made by those who had pre- and strong fellow, in order to live ceded him, he should not trespass himself and keep the 19 in a state of very long upon the attention of the ease, would begin taxation, first Meeting. He should limit himself taking a shilling from one, sixpence to the consideration of the objections from another, half-a-crown from which had been made to the Petition another, and so on. Now, would by the Noble Lord (Ellenborough), not the eighty suffer from this taxaand by the Gentleman who spoke tion? would not they have less to last but one, whose name was enjoy than they had before? We Trower. Infinite pains, he said, had were told that the eighty would rebeen taken by the Ministers and by ceive the money back again; that it their adherents all over the country, would be diffused in the expenses of