that my appeals are to the highest, the HOLIEST and BEST feelings of men. The pure hearted christian, the honest man, the upright and gol-like soul, feels these appeals more sensibly, and responds to them more readily, than any other class. The more holy the affections, the more refined the sensibilities, the more heavenly all the emotions, which characterize any individual, the greater the propriety of making these appeals to him, and the more confident am I that they will produce the desired impression upon him. Every thing holy and heavenly, every thing pure and good which the Creator has implanted in the human soul, while granting its utmost approbation to the doctrine of the repentance and salvation of all men, at the same time, rises in utter detestation of the sentiment of endless sin and agony! It is for this reason that he writhes in such perfect torture, at every appeal I make to the sympathies of the audience. And it is for the same reason that the partialist clergy are continually laboring to cause their hearers to distrust the purest and best feeling God has given them, and to induce them to pluck from their hearts those sympathies, which form the chief moral trait that raises them above the beast of the forest? Shall I cease my appeals to man's better nature? No! I give my opponent fair warning, that I shall continue, so often as occasion offers, to address the tender, loving, affectionate sympathies of those who listen-that I shall strive to touch the golden cord which unites man to higher orders of being, and make it to vibrate with those angelic emotions which yield their approbation alone to that which benefits the race!!

Mr. Holmes assures us that were the hearts of the world in favor of his doctrine, he should be led to doubt its truth. If he is sincere in this declaration, allow me to say he has good reason immediately to commence his doubts! At least two-thirds of mankind in christendom, and nineteen-twentieths of the most depraved and reckless, are believers in his sentiments, and grant them all their approbation. Examine any community, and see how large a majority of the ungodly and sinful, cling to the theory which my friend advocates. Look to the prisons, penitentiaries, and places where the most abandoned are gathered, and it will be found that with only the rarest exceptions, the inmates are universally believers and approbators of endless punishment! I tell my brother, that according to his own rule, he must be a large doubter of the truth of his doctrine! He tells us he feels satisfied with doctrines which receive the approbation of the heart of the true christian. In this there is a most delightful harmony between the feelings of friend Holmes and myself. Every true Christian on earth approbates and loves with all his heart, the doctrine of the universal reign of holiness, righteousness and peace. But if there was a mortal so hardened as to declare his love of the doctrine of endless blasphemy, warring and misery, could he be called a Christian? Would not his character rather assimilate to that attributed to fa bled demons!!

My opponent says he has no doubt I could collect audiences of Deists and Atheists to hear me preach, in any of our large towns. This low attempt to excite the prejudices of the community, will be appreciated by the audience. Permit me to inquire who made these men Deists and Atheists? It is a fact susceptible of the plainest proof, that they became infidels under the influence of the very doctrines my friend defends in this discussion. Did not the infidels of France fall into their Atheism under the influence of the doctrine of Endless Punishment? Yes, these and other infidels in our own land, were driven into skepticism by the absurd and abhorrent sentiments, promulgated from the falsely termed evangelical pulpits! They have heard from their infancy, that the doctrines of the Trinity, vicarious atonement, total depravity, and endless punishment, are taught in the Bible. And believing this to be so, they have thrown God's word aside as totally contradictory to man's reason, and swung to the contrary extreme of gloomy infidelity. This position is corroborated by a fact which cannot be successfully disputed-that wherever partialist doctrines prevail the most generally, and other and better views of Christianity are the least known, as in France and various portions of America, there skepticism has spread its poison most successfully and largely! As to Deists and Atheists generally attending upon my preaching, any impression of this description is totally false!! I rarely see individuals of this description in congregations which I address. But this I unhesitatingly assert, that the Atheists and Deists, and skeptics in general, who attend the meetings of the so-called evangelical denominations, are four times more numerous, in proportion to the whole number, than those who are found in Universalist congregations!! I challenge investigation on this point. We receive the most bitter opposition from skeptics, in all those cities and large places, where they are banded together in various organizations. And no periodicals or publications of any description, indulge in a more bitter enmity, or in a greater degree of ridicule of Universalism, than those issued from the infidel press. Like Herod and Pilot of old, Atheists, Deists, sceptics, unbelievers of all descriptions, on one side, and the whole array of evangelicals, of every hue and shade, on the other, strike hands together, in opposition to that doctrine which is the consummation of the best and holiest wishes of men or angels, the final purification and happiness of the entire race of man!!

The Elder supposes, had I preached to the Antediluvians, I should have opposed Noah, and told them they would not be destroyed! No sir! Had I been with the Antediluvians, I should have preached the certainty of punishment, and not its uncertainty, as my friend does. Indeed, Noah did proclaim my sentiments to them, when he declared that the judgments of God, which they had justly incurred by their sins, would be assuredly inflicted up

on them, and that there was no possible escape! Had Elder Holmes been stationed among them, and preached in a practical manner, the doctrine he defends in theory, he would have contradictel Noah, as he now contradicts God's word. He would have told the Antediluvians to enjoy "the pleasures of sin"-to eat, drink, and be merry, for there was no punishment in this life, or if any, it would be so light they would not know when they rece:vel it-that Gol's punishments are in the future world, and are awful and en lless, but easily avoided-that when they saw the gathering blackness begin to appear in the heavens, which was to pour out the flood to destroy them, if they would but be careful to repent, all would be well, and they could ascend at once to infinite glory and bliss!!

Mr. Holmes brings the entire of the two systems of Universal Salvation and Endless Punishment, into "a nut-shell," in the form of two or three of Luther Lee's syllogisms. These syllogisms afford as precious a specimen as he could give us, of his profound logic, and of that blind habit to which he is addicted, and which shows itself through all his arguments, of reasoning from false premises. In his syllogism on Universalism, he asserts that all a good earthly father would do to make his children happy, had he the power, God will do for the whole human race. But a good earthly father would make his children happy now, therefore God will make all men happy now!! See how slight a touch shall overturn the castle my friend has so laboriously built up. A good earthly father would not make his children happy now, provided he saw that by subjecting them to a healthful discipline for a season, he could make them much happier by-and-by. A father could make his child happy for the time being, by allowing him to refrain from study, and spend his time in idleness. But he knows he can bestow greater benefit on him hereafter, by subjecting him at present, to severe and laborious study and a judicious training. So God does not make his creatures happy now, because his wisdom dictates that he can exalt them to higher degrees of perfection and bliss hereafter, by first subjecting them to a well regulated course of discipline and instruction.

Another of his acute syllogisms on Universalism, is something like this: A father having wisdom and power sufficient to make his children happy, and yet allowing them to remain in sin and misery, would be unfeeling and cruel. But God, though possess ing wisdom and power, does allow his creatures to remain in sin and misery. Therefore, according to Universalism, God is unfeeling and cruel! I am surprized at the short-sighted, school-boy character of my friend's syllogisms. Does he not see, that a father would not be cruel in allowing his children to experience temporary trials, if he foresaw, they would conduce to their permanent and lasting good. Hence God, so far from being unfeeling or cruel, is both wise and good, in subjecting man to vanity, as

St. Paul denominates it, that through the discipline and instruction thus experienced, a higher and final good shall be experienced by all those involved therein. My opponent says these syllogisms are framed on genuine Universalist principles. I deny it. They rest solely on an undisguised perversion of our views. The Elder's syllogism on Endless Punishment, cannot be worthy a formal reply. There is nothing of it. In other words, it is framed on principles in regard to which, there is no disagreement between us. Its laborious travail results in bringing forth this conclusion that God will save all who repent and work righteousness! Marvellous! And who ever doubted this, or believed any thing else. Universalists adopt this as one of their fundamental principles. They believe all men in due time, will be brought by the influences and instructions of Christ, to repentance, and hence will experience the salvation of God!

Before proceeding to the discussion of the question now before us, would it not be well to look at the position we occupy-to glance at the field of debate we have been over-and take a brief survey of that upon which we are about to enter?

On the last Question I maintained that in due time, all the children of men will be brought to Repentance and Reformation, will be converted to Christ, and become willing and obedient subjects of his kingdom-that every intelligent being will, in due time, be reconciled to their Father in heaven, and filled with love to God, and love to one another. It will be acknowledged by every pious heart, that this doctrine is the most desirable, glorious and joy inspiring, that the human mind can comprehend! It is such a state of things as all Christian souls love-such as accord with their purest desires and most ardent prayers--and such as they would bring to pass, had they the power and opportunity! It will also be acknowledged, that of all conceivable states in which the existence of the human race could possibly terminate, this condition of Universal holiness and happiness, is infinitely the BEST that can possibly be imagined! Moreover, it will not be denied, that this result of creation is honorable to God, as the wise, benevolent, and perfect Father of all, and worthy of Christ, as one who died for all, and declared himself to be the Savior of the world!

Against this doctrine my opposing brother has labored with all the ability he possesses. He has endeavored to overthrow all these Christian hopes, these great and good views of God. He has exerted himself to make you believe that a consummation so desirable and glorious, can never be accomplished! That it is asking too much of God-placing too much dependence on his Goodness, his Love, Mercy, Wisdom and Power, to believe he will achieve so great and holy an undertaking as this! He has strived to convince you, that the BEST THING God could pos

sibly plan the BEST THING Jesus could accomplish-the BEST THING angels could desire, or men could hope for, has been defeated, overthrown, and forever ruined. That there was no ability in God, Christ, angels, or good men, to bring to pass a state of things, which all loved to contemplate, and which would fill the universe with light, peace, love, and cause all intelligences to "rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory!"

On the present Question, the position of the parties is changed. My opponent takes the affirmative, He seizes the laboring oar, and leads us in the investigation now in hand! After having labored to show you that in a world over which a Deity reigns who is Omnipotent in Power, perfect in Wisdom, and infinite in Love, the best state of things that man or angel could wish for, or God could design, or Christ accomplish, can never take place, he now volunteers to go forward and maintain, that in the same world over which the same perfect Deity reigns, and does his will, the WORST state of things that man can fear, or that demons could desire, will actually transpire, and endure as long as the Throne of the Eternal shall stand. I say the worst state of things. In the name of Heaven, what could possibly be worse than that even one soul should fall into ENDLESS SIN and WOE, to writhe in agony -to shriek and groan in dark despair, and blaspheme the name of its Creator through the endless cycles of eternity!!! But when he contends, as he will, not that one soul alone, but COUNTLESS MILLIONS of souls shall experience this doom, I feel authorized to declare that he will maintain the worst state of things of which it is possible to conceive!

Can it be possible that my opponent, that this audience, and the Christian world, have ever attempted to realize the awful, revolting nature of the doctrine of Endless Woe, or considered the dark and unholy imputations it casts on the character of the Ruler of the Universe! Charity would urge us to believe they have not! Think steadily, deeply, maturely, of that doctrine! Do not turn away from its contemplation with a single glance. Strive to enter, if but slightly, into its gloomy and fathomless depths! Contemplate the nature of the task to contend for it! My opponent will labor to prove that an innumerable multitude of souls, each one of whom has been endowed by the Creator with capacities, which, under proper instruction and development, with the aid of appropriate means, and an opportunity of sufficient duration, would enable the possessor to rival Gabriel, in knowledge, holiness, and love, will, after a brief space of time, be denied even the privilege of improving, repenting and seeking after truth and holiness; but will be thrust down to interminable wretchedness, where they will be compelled to sin and agonize forever! Parents! He will labor to prove thousands of you who have lost children, that had arrived at years of discretion, will never meet th them more! He will seek to convince you that your dearly