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worn thread-bare, proves as plainly as words could assert it, that he feels conscious of a failure to sustain himself heretofore, as he desired. In all this dissatisfaction with his past labors, he his shown an amount of good sense, truly creditable. I fully believe when the public review the nature of his proceedings in this debate, they will at least give him the credit of great discernment in being wholly unreconciled to the idea of allowing his labors on the secon: question, to pass without some attempt to patch them up! The Elder may, however, take to himself the consolinz reflection, that the failure cannot justly be attributed to him, but to his cruse! When men attempt to overthrow TRUTH, or build up ERROR, how can they expect their exertions, after cool and mature examination, can yield satisfaction even to themselves!

I can but esteem myself unfortunate in incurring the disapprobation of my opponent. Every thing on my part, goes wrong in his estimation. I can do nothing that will please him. AŬ my positions, my arguments, evidences, scripture proofs, are ex. ceedingly distasteful to him. The more sound the argument, the clearer the proof, the more direct the conclusion, and glorious the doctrine establishel, the greater his dissatisfaction !! Whatever I do, he would not have done; and whatever he would have me do, that do I not. The case is a hard one truly, for my friend. If I was but more yielding and accommodating in my disposition, and more willing to conform to his wishes in all cases, how speely his triumph! How easy his victory!

He complains that I have stuliously avoided making known my opinions on many important points-that I have failed to answer his inquiries as to the nature of salvation, or the time, place and manner of the punishment of the wicked. These complaints run through the entire length of the two questions, frequently interspersed with a precious display of low wit and ridicule. He denominated Salvation as held by Universalists, to be a kind of Jack-o-lantern-an abstraction-a mere nothingness! True, I have shown in repeated instances, that the salvation we proclaim, is the salvation revealed in the gospel--a salvation from sin, ignorance, and death-that it is purely the giit of God-and that it is effected through the instrumentality of Christ and his gospel ! But what cares he for a salvation which has God for its author, and Christ for its executor and finisher ? So long as it stands in the way of his creed, he will cast the most contemptuous epithets upon it , and insist that it is nothing but emptiness?

He forgets that the salvation promulgate I in his own theory is the most unreal, uncertain and contradictory, contrivance that the wretched wisdom of this world ever coined. No man feels himself safe for a moment under its teachings. To-day, he may be saved-tomorrow, lost!! The moment the poor repentant sinner stretches forth his hand to the Elder's system, to lay hold on a salvation

that shall be real—something that can be depended upon-he finds only that which involves him in inextricable confusion. It is a salvation by works, and not by works-he must do something to merit it, and yet is told he can not do any thing to merit it. He is taught it is a salvation by grace, and yet not by grace but of works--that God will save men, and yet they must save themselves--that Christ will save the world, and yet if the world do not secure their own salvation, they will be cast off into utter and endless darkness! And yet one who entertains these views and is continually leading others to wander amid all this confusion, utters loul complaints that the salvation of Universalists is not d finite! That these complaints against the definiteness of our views of salvation, are utterly groun lless--lu dicrously som there is not a person who has attended this discussion, but will bear me witness. Although I have repeatedly answered all questions in regard to salvation, so far as God has revealed knowl. edge to mortals on the subject, and małe known my opinions on every point involved in the discussion, yet these complaints are again reiterated on the very threshold of this question-at the fir go-off of the Elder, with as much coolness, as though he was treating our hearers with the fresh coinage of his fertile brain. It is a fitting beginning in defence of the monstrous doctrine my opponent stands up here to defend and propagate.

The secret of all his trouble and fault finding, in regard to matters connected with the other questions, is easily explained. It is not that I have not answered his inquiries on these topics, nor that I have not made known my opinions, but the difficulty is, I have not answered them to suit him-and my opinions have proved different from what he would have them. If I had but given some absurd reply to his queries—if I had but committed myself to some groundless position, some ridiculous sentiment, some monstrous anomoly, so weak and silly as to conflict with the word of God—then the Elder would have been in high glee! No complaints would have been uttered, and no fault found with my course. But although I am exceedingly anxious to accommodate my friend, in every possible and consistent manner, yet really it is asking too much, that I should sacrifice God's truth to friendship for him, or allow the most consistent, desirable and beautiful doctrine that men or angels have ever known, to be trampled under foot, merely to permit heathen errors to perpetuate their baneful sway over the minds of men !

If I thought proper to pursue a similar strain of fault finding, I might in return, with great justice, utter many complaints against the course pursued by Elder Holmes. His misrepresentations have been numerous and wilful. In his tent!speech he declares that Universalists generally repudiate the ordinances of christianitybaptism and the Lord's supper. Yet he knows that the Lord's supper is administered throughout our denomination, where circumstances will admit of the organization of churches. And as to baptism, Universalists very frequently administer it; but they leave their members in the free exercise of their consciences on this subject. I might complain also of his assertions at the commencement of his closing speech on the second question—where he declares that Universalism knows nothing of a renewed heartthat it claims that the heart in its unholy state gives its suffrage for annihilating the eniless sanctions of the divine law, and unconditionally saving all men, without regard to character or conduct-and that I maintain that the wicked heart LOVES Universalism. I declare all these assertions to be sheer, wilful, and wickel misrepresentations, and that Elder Holmes well knew them to be such, when he uttered them. He knows I have repudiated all such views over and over again; but he most dishonorably persists in reiterating these charges. Yet he claims to be in possession of a renewed heart. Moreover, I might complain, that after so much trepidation lest I should introduce new matter in my clo. sing speech on the negative of the first question, where he would have no opportunity to reply, he has himself become guilty of this very act, in his closing speech on the negative of the second question. In several instances he has brought in new arguments, and in one case* in direct violation of one of the rules of this discussion, has introduced a new matter which he calls a "dilemma," and challenges me to reply to it, when he knew I had no oppor. tunity. But I need not dwell farther on the singular characteris. tics of that closing speech. It was very much as I anticipated. The repetition and patching up of his replies to my argumentsthe reiteration of assertions, positions, and false and sophistical methods of reasoning, which I had already overthrown and scattered, when they were originally introduced-indicates nothing more clearly than his dissatisfaction at the manner in which he has managed his cause, and his fears of the influence of this debate on the public mind.

The gentleman is not a little perplexed by my appeals to those tender sympathies which God has implanted in the human heart. He acknowledges that these appeals place his doctrine at great disadvantage. but he insists that this is in consequence of the wickedness of the hearts of men, and reminds us of the declaration of the Bible, that “the heart is desperately wicked.” My friend is evidently in the fog in regard to this matter. If my appeal was to the wickel feelings of men-if the sympathy aroused against the doctrine of endless punishment and in favor of Universal Salvation, was the fruit of the predominance of sinful and depraved passions, as were some of the appeals he mentioned in his last speech-there would then be some ground for the conclusion he has drawn. But the Elder and the world well know

* See p. 406

that my appeals are to the highest, the HOLIEST and BEST leel. ings of men. The pure hearted christian, the honest man, the up: right and gol-like soul, feels these appeals more sensibly, and responds 10 them more realily, than any other class. The more ho'y the affections, the more refined the sensibilities, the more heavenly all the emotions, which characterize any individual, the greater the propriety of making these appeals to him. and the more confident am I that they will produce the desired impression upon him. Every thing holy and heavenly, every thing pure and good which the Creator has implanted in the human soul, while granting its utmost approbation to the doctrine of the repentance and salvation of all men, at the same time, rises in utter detestation of the sentiment of endless sin and agony! It is for this reason that he writhes in such perfect torture, at every appeal I make to the sympathies of the audience. And it is for the same reason ihat the partialist clergy are continually laboring to cause their hearers to distrust the purest and best feeling God has given them, and to induce them to pluck from their hearts those sympathies, which form the chief moral trait ihat raises them ahove the beast of the forest? Shall I cease my appeals to man's better nature? No! I give my opponent fair warning, that I shall continue, so often as occasion ofiers, to aldress the iender, loving, af. fectionate sympathies of those who listen--that I shall strive to touch the golden cord which uni:es man to higher orders of being, and make it 10 vibrate with those angelic emotions which yield their approbation alone to that which benefits the race !!

Mr. Holmes assures us that were the hearts of the world in favor of his doctrine, he should be led to doubt its truth. If he is sincere in this declaration, allow me to say he has good reason immediately to commence his doubts! At least two-thirds of mankind in christendom, and nineteen-tuentieths of the most depraved and reckless, are believers in his sentiments, and grant them all their approbation. Examine any community, and see how large a majority of the ungodly and sinful, cling to the theory which my friend alvocates. Look to the prisons, penitentiaries, and places where the most abandoned are githered, and it will be found that with only the rarest exceptions, the inmates are universally believers and approbators of endless punishment! I tell my brother, that according to his own rule, he must be a large doubier of the iruth of his doctrine! He tells us he feels satisfied with doctrines which re. ceive the approbation of the heart of the true christian. In this there is a most delightful harmony between the feelings of friend Holmes and myself. Every true Christian on earth approbates and loves with all his heart, the doctrine of the universal reign of holiness, righteousness and peace. But if there was a mortal so hardened as to declare his love of the doctrine of endless blas. phemy, warring and misery, could he be called a Christian ? Would not his character rather assimilate to that attributed to fa. bled demons!!

My opponent says he has no doubt I could collect audiences of Deists and Atheists to hear me preach, in any of our large towns. This low attempt to excite the prejudices of the community, will be appreciated by the audience. Permit me to inquire who male these men Deists and Atheists? It is a fact susceptible of the plainest proof, that they became infilels under the influence of the very doctrines my frien 1 defen is in this discussion. Did not the infilels of France fall into their Atheism under the influence of the doctrine of Endless Punishment? Yes, these and other infilels in our own land, were driven into skepticism by the ahsurd and abhorrent sentiments, promulgated from the falsely termel evangelical pulpits! They have heard from their infancy, that the doctrines of the Trinity, vicarious atonement, total depravity, anl enlless punishment, are taught in the Bible. And believ. ing this to be so, they have thrown God's word aside as totally contra lictory to man's reason, and swung to the contrary extreme of gloomy infidelity. This position is corroborated by a fact which cannot be successfully disputed—that wherever partialist doctrines prevail the most generally, and other and better views of Christianity are the least known, as in France and various portions of America, there skepticism has spread its poison most successfully and largely! As to Deists and Atheists generally attending upon my preaching, any impression of this description is totally fals2!! I rarely see individuals of this description in congregations which I address. But this I unhesitatingly assert, that The Atheists and Deists, and skeptics in general, who attend the meetings of the so-called evangelical denominations, are four times ore numerous, in proportion to the whole number, than those ho are found in Universalist congregations!! I challenge in. stigation on this point. We receive the most bitter opposition rom skeptics, in all those cities and large places, where they are janded together in various organizations. And no periodicals or publications of any description, indulge in a more bitter enmity, or in a greater degree of ridicule of Universalism, than those issued from the infidel press. Like Herod and Pilot of old, Atheists, Deists, sceptics, unbelievers of all descriptions, on one side, and the whole array of evangelicals, of every hue and shade, on the other, strike hands together, in opposition to that doctrine which is the consummation of the best and holiest wishes of men or angels, the final purification and happiness of the entire race of man!!

The Elder supposes, had I preached to the Antediluvians, I should have opposed Noah, and told them they would not be destroyed! No sir! Had I been with the Antédiluvians, I should have preached the certainty of punishment, and not its uncertainty, as my friend does. Indeed, Noah did proclaim my sentiments to them, when he declared that the judgments of God, which they had justly incurred by their sins, would be assuredly inflicted up

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